Stories Survive: Jill Pauly

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Hi everyone, my name is Sydney Yaeger and I am the public programs coordinator at the Museum of Jewish heritage.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): A living memorial to the Holocaust, it is my pleasure to welcome you to today's program with Jill polly a Holocaust survivor living on long island, who is 88 years old.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Jill has spent many years volunteering at the United States Holocaust Memorial museum, along with her husband Kurt polly, who is also a Holocaust survivor.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): This is the first time that she's speaking at the Museum of Jewish heritage, so I will interview Jill for about 45 minutes and then we'll have time for audience q&a.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): feel free to share questions in the zoom Q amp a box throughout the program and we will get to as many as we can, so I would like to welcome Jill Thank you so much for being here with us today.

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Jill Pauly: Welcome

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Jill Pauly: Thank you for having me.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Yes, we're very excited um so i'm also going to go ahead and share my screen really quick, because we have some photos to show.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Along with this, so.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Jill I want to begin by asking you, where you grew up about where you grew up in and what your life was like before the war so so we can you tell me like what do you remember about this time.

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Jill Pauly: Okay, I remember probably.

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Jill Pauly: Before that you see the picture on the screen, by then, I was five and a half, but I think I remember back to about 445.

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Jill Pauly: My family, the men that family were in the cattle business very successful.

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Jill Pauly: But in 1938 they got a card a postcard telling them that they had to close down their business.

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Jill Pauly: And of course it was from the Nazis and they had to close down their business, so we lived in a very large house and in the back of the House was a big.

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Jill Pauly: Huge patio and.

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Jill Pauly: There was a hayloft there was a sukkah for circus.

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Jill Pauly: There were other rooms and things that were.

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Jill Pauly: used and keeping the capital clean.

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Jill Pauly: The Castle came in and went out and my father was the chief.

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Jill Pauly: Of the four people in the business, he was the one will treat it the capital and handled the capital.

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Jill Pauly: His cousin was also a Joseph bird he traveled to East Prussia for six months, out of the year, buying cattle.

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Jill Pauly: And my father, so the capital.

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Jill Pauly: so that you can understand in 1938 their ideas of how to live change completely.

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Jill Pauly: They were not poor they were well to do, and I think in the beginning of this story i'm going to tell you.

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Jill Pauly: That this Joseph Berg and his wife were quite wealthy the other Joseph Burke, and he took his wife my ad Sarah on vacations every year.

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Jill Pauly: And around the year that I was born, which was 1933.

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Jill Pauly: um they went on a vacation and they met a gentleman, and they became friends with him.

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Jill Pauly: And he was the Court to to the Dutch Queen.

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mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: And he gave them advice and the advice was get all your money out of Europe out of Germany.

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Jill Pauly: And they listen to him, they did that.

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Jill Pauly: and

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Jill Pauly: It could sort of you can tell.

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Jill Pauly: That life was not normal.

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Jill Pauly: Long before the war broke out.

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Jill Pauly: Jews were not allowed to be seen on the streets at night, whatever whatever they could think of that would make people uncomfortable was used.

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Jill Pauly: right and it would Jewish there was a woman who had lived in this big house with my grandparents, while she and her husband were building their house, after many years back way before I was born, but she was a very good friend.

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Jill Pauly: And she refused to put the sign in the window juices, not wanted.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: And the police came after her and threatened her.

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Jill Pauly: And she said she didn't care, she was not going to take that sign.

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Jill Pauly: Out of the she was not going to listen to what they had to set.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm well.

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Jill Pauly: She was like she did survive it that you know they could have just easily killed her.

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Jill Pauly: yeah um and then let's go forward to crystal meth knew nothing.

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Jill Pauly: Right nothing we had lots and lots of relatives all over the that part of Germany.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: Nobody called and said hey you better pick up and go.

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Jill Pauly: Right you're going to be attacked nobody nobody knew.

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Jill Pauly: right by that that was maybe.

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Jill Pauly: Around 1011 o'clock in the morning.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: By 12 o'clock some guy came to the door banged on the door.

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Jill Pauly: And wanted money from my father, they always gave them money.

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Jill Pauly: So he gave him money.

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Jill Pauly: At a couple hours later, he was standing in front of the door in a Nazi uniform.

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Jill Pauly: He was protecting he was.

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Jill Pauly: threatening.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: But they weren't afraid of him, for some reason.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): uh huh.

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um.

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Jill Pauly: My uncle my grandmother.

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Jill Pauly: was a very bright woman she had a very tough beginning in life that she was very brave.

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Jill Pauly: hmm at about I would say, oh my sister went to school in in.

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Jill Pauly: In Cologne by train and the train came by a house.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: So yeah that.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Cologne in a more rural area.

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Jill Pauly: know in Cologne.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): He lived in Globe okay.

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Jill Pauly: No, we were when we were 17 miles outside of pillow in the rural area.

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Jill Pauly: Okay, but she went by train every day and came home.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: And that particular day she came back at nine o'clock.

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Jill Pauly: hmm and my mother said, what are you doing at home.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: So she explained that she got the school and that they weren't Nazi people in uniform and smoke coming out the top of the school of the synagogue next to the school.

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Jill Pauly: And the Nazi told her, she better back to get on the train and go home because there'd be no school that day.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: So she did that came home.

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Jill Pauly: Right and that, of course, was a very big sign to my parents that.

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Jill Pauly: We had to get out.

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Jill Pauly: Right So what about I would say 12 o'clock.

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Jill Pauly: my grandmother made sure that we were out of the House.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: And my father God, a non Jewish driver, a friend to drive my grandparents and my sister and I to Cologne.

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Jill Pauly: And to go into hiding.

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Jill Pauly: In an apartment there, where we had older relatives.

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Jill Pauly: Right and my mother follow.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: My father did that.

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Jill Pauly: Okay, I love the men.

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Jill Pauly: head, whether it could be seen.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: They went into the there was a must have been a forest not far from where we lived.

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Jill Pauly: And that's where they spent the next 24 hours.

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Jill Pauly: Rather than in the cars and they drove them up there and stayed there, and the next day.

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Jill Pauly: At.

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Jill Pauly: Some time, maybe loon a.

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Jill Pauly: gerbil said it was over, no more crystal meth.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: But that wasn't helpful for us.

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Jill Pauly: Right yeah nobody.

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Jill Pauly: Nobody.

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Jill Pauly: went back.

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Jill Pauly: Right when none of the men went back home.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): yeah so you're so your your father and some of the other men in your family went to Holland to.

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Jill Pauly: Oh later.

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Jill Pauly: Okay i'm still talking the end of cristiana.

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Jill Pauly: Right men were being picked up and sent it back how.

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Jill Pauly: huh all Jewish men and boys.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: And they were in the woods.

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Jill Pauly: and

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Jill Pauly: They stayed in the woods, I think, was stoner was on a Thursday i'm not sure.

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Jill Pauly: yeah I believe it was no no Wednesday and.

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Jill Pauly: i'm.

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Jill Pauly: They did come out on Friday for shabbat.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: And they came to Cologne.

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Jill Pauly: Right and my father wanted to try and find a place to hide.

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Jill Pauly: with us.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: And the building, we were in had a very beautiful attic all built out and he decided to try it out Friday night we the family, not the aunts and uncles that we're all in the apartment.

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Jill Pauly: Right went to sleep up in the in the attic.

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Jill Pauly: mm hmm and God was with us in a hat is my sister had a screaming night man.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): huh.

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Jill Pauly: No, my father said, well, we can't stay here either.

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Jill Pauly: And so on Sunday, this was Friday night on Sunday, he got in the car.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: It didn't drive he was in the car with my uncle who drove.

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Jill Pauly: And a cousin.

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Jill Pauly: Yes, and they left Germany.

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Jill Pauly: They drove into Holland.

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Jill Pauly: mm hmm without papers.

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Jill Pauly: Right and they will call it.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Yes, so So this was your family car correct is that so Is this the car they took.

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Jill Pauly: know that one wasn't that much before.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): way before okay.

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Jill Pauly: Now they hadn't they hadn't new cars.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: As a matter of fact, they took two cars with us to Kenya.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Oh okay.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): yeah so.

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Jill Pauly: fun.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): So, so your family went to or your father, excuse me, went to Holland.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): And yes, gained so he's detained for about nine months.

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Jill Pauly: It was, in turn, with my cousin with my cousin and my my uncle.

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Jill Pauly: They were in term for nine months.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Yes, so So what do you.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): notice period.

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Jill Pauly: But this gentleman that my other uncle met, who told us to get the money out of Germany.

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Jill Pauly: hmm happened to be.

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Jill Pauly: The, what do you call that to the Queen, he was allowed to go to see the Queen court, the Court shoe.

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Jill Pauly: hmm in Holland.

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Jill Pauly: Right and through him.

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Jill Pauly: They were let out after nine months because they had papers for Kenya.

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Jill Pauly: So my father didn't.

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Jill Pauly: didn't waste any time he immediately got on I believe a train.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: And went to England.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: And I remember him telling me that he had one friend in England, with a certain name which may be stern or something like that.

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Jill Pauly: And he called that number, and it was him.

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Jill Pauly: Oh wow and each other.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: But the next day he got on a ship with my uncle's two men and they left for Africa for Kenya.

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Jill Pauly: Right see one of the ladies married.

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Jill Pauly: The berg's my my father's cousin came from a very, very brilliant family.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: She had brothers that were beyond beyond bright.

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Jill Pauly: And they worked on helping people get out of Germany and go somewhere else.

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Jill Pauly: Right and we were close to them, because they were related, but in a way.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: So they got the men, the papers got they got the okay from Kenya.

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Jill Pauly: Right somebody had to work that out it wasn't just Oh, can we come in very how shall I say.

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Jill Pauly: what's the word.

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Jill Pauly: difficult to happen, it could be, it could happen and it couldn't happen.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Right.

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Jill Pauly: But it worked.

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Jill Pauly: um when my father and the men were on their way.

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Jill Pauly: mm hmm we in Cologne.

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mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: have to get on the way.

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Jill Pauly: Right so before we.

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Jill Pauly: yeah but before we got on before we got on the way we have to go to the Nazi.

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Jill Pauly: Immigration bureau.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: When you see pictures of people standing on the streets in Germany waiting to get in there.

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Jill Pauly: yeah we were three of them my mother was the two of us.

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Jill Pauly: Right and I was very good, I must say I never was a good kid at the time.

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Jill Pauly: i'm frightened kid I was afraid as.

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Jill Pauly: I didn't know what would happen, but I was afraid.

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Jill Pauly: yeah and.

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Jill Pauly: We went in.

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Jill Pauly: She needed papers, she had to have certain papers.

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Jill Pauly: right and it my sister and I don't remember what those papers were, unfortunately.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: So we were standing in there and for the first time.

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Jill Pauly: I got to really see a Nazi.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Uniform right.

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Jill Pauly: He was standing guard.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: And after we had been there about a half an hour or so he kicked everybody out.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: My mother took us out.

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Jill Pauly: And she watched.

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Jill Pauly: To see who would replace him.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Right.

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Jill Pauly: And it was a Nazi.

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Jill Pauly: With a uniform and all.

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Jill Pauly: mm hmm and my mother very courageously went back in.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: We were the last ones out the first ones back in.

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Jill Pauly: And she went to the counter.

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Jill Pauly: and got the papers and we were gone.

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Jill Pauly: wow yeah.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): that's yeah that's me.

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Jill Pauly: mm hmm and.

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Jill Pauly: When we got home, we got ourselves together.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: I think June 9.

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Jill Pauly: We went by train.

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Jill Pauly: mm hmm from Cologne to Italy.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Right.

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Jill Pauly: And I remember the trip.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: I was in a park in a compartment with.

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Jill Pauly: Two grandmothers.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): And a grandfather.

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Jill Pauly: And my mother and the two of us and we went in and out.

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Jill Pauly: But the train was full of Nazis.

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Jill Pauly: mm hmm and at any time, they could have thrown us off what they were afraid of the women there were five women.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): uh huh.

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Jill Pauly: But they were afraid of was that they would throw one of them off the train.

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Jill Pauly: right was very frightening.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): yeah.

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Jill Pauly: I thought we were.

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Jill Pauly: very, very quiet, we were very good.

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Jill Pauly: huh you know I don't know if I was old enough to understand it all, but I was afraid enough to understand it all.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Right, because you were you were about six years old at this.

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Jill Pauly: Well, I was five.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Were five still.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Okay, so, so this is your father.

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Jill Pauly: And my father.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): So you know.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): So then, so once you get to Italy, then you get on a boat to Kenya.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Yes, this is you on the boat with your sister and your.

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Jill Pauly: Because we we did three kids we will we were so happy.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): yeah yeah.

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Jill Pauly: It was a Nazi ship.

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Jill Pauly: Right, but the captain was decent.

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huh.

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Jill Pauly: And he didn't torture us he didn't you know push us around.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: He didn't say you have to we did have to.

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Jill Pauly: The Jews had to be on the lower part of the boat.

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Jill Pauly: right which annoyed my mother, but it could have been worse.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: I was thrilled.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Just.

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Jill Pauly: To be on the boat and not to have Nazis around me and and afraid you know have this fear.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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and

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Jill Pauly: Myself sister.

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Jill Pauly: And this little fellow he got and he lives in North Jersey now he's an attorney.

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Jill Pauly: wow he's one he is the descendant of the people that helped us so much.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: His mother was married to my father's cousin.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Oh, I see.

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Jill Pauly: And she was instrumental in helping all of us get out.

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Jill Pauly: She went to the train and.

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Jill Pauly: In Cologne.

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Jill Pauly: To she went to the train to talk on the phone.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): uh huh.

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Jill Pauly: To these to these relatives, because they needed information.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Right.

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Jill Pauly: And that was strictly forbidden.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: So she took one of my uncle's along and they would stand.

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Jill Pauly: Watch.

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Jill Pauly: While she did the talking and got away with it.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): yeah wow that's.

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Jill Pauly: So there we are on the way.

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Jill Pauly: Yes, and you can see, by the filthy footpaths layer that it wasn't exactly a luxurious.

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Jill Pauly: boat.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Yes, yeah.

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Jill Pauly: But my sister I don't know how she kept a busy she was a big reader.

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Jill Pauly: Is yet books, yes.

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Jill Pauly: yeah yeah and what's a little devil Oh, my goodness gracious he was a devil and his mother couldn't control him.

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Jill Pauly: Right, so my sister, and I would take him off her.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: We would play with him.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): yeah.

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Jill Pauly: And when he didn't play with me.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: I entertain myself.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: I love to sing.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Right and so and it led to you being asked to.

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Jill Pauly: I was asked.

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Jill Pauly: Yes, I was singing.

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Jill Pauly: and

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Jill Pauly: my grandmother was encouraging me she was singing in in the cat, what do you call that in the cabin the cabin.

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Jill Pauly: She would sing with me because she she thought that was a good pass time.

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huh.

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Jill Pauly: And my mother was called into the captain.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: And the captain asked her if.

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Jill Pauly: If I if she would permit me to sing for the crew.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): wow.

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Jill Pauly: Not an easy thing.

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Jill Pauly: No, no, I sang in German.

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Jill Pauly: I sang in Hebrew.

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Jill Pauly: wow I, I have a saying in English.

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mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: And my grandmother's both grandmothers would in the whole you know, in the boat.

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Jill Pauly: and together they were teaching me.

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Jill Pauly: to sing the German songs that they taught us that I shouldn't sing the Jewish songs.

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Jill Pauly: Right, but I was, I was a little girl, you know it was hard for me.

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Jill Pauly: But I understood it.

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Jill Pauly: yeah because I was frightened.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: And so I sang.

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Jill Pauly: jensen's.

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Right.

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Jill Pauly: And they like that very much the crew like that very much and I had to sing for the crew several times.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: And the adults who were on the boat with us.

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Jill Pauly: hmm we're very frightened.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): So they hit.

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Jill Pauly: They hit themselves.

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Jill Pauly: So that they wouldn't lose sight of me.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: It took turns.

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Jill Pauly: yeah now how many times I saying for those people, I can tell you.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: But it was more than once.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): yeah right.

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Jill Pauly: Okay, and.

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Jill Pauly: Then I don't know how long we weren't on the ship very long.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: Maybe two and a half, three weeks.

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Jill Pauly: Yes, not even and we arrived in Nairobi.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Yes, so that, so you arrive in Nairobi in in 1939 no So what do you remember about Nairobi.

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Jill Pauly: A lot.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): yeah I do so.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): So he was.

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Jill Pauly: What first of all, we saw our Father again.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Right, so you are reunited.

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Jill Pauly: After he was standing at the boat waiting.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): yeah and.

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Jill Pauly: Then we had this really funny episode, we had to go somewhere to sleep for the night.

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Jill Pauly: And then get on a train and go to Nairobi we were in Mombasa.

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Jill Pauly: Right and.

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Jill Pauly: My father said Oh, he got he got a room in a hotel.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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and

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Jill Pauly: We worked it out, you know.

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Jill Pauly: I slept anywhere by that time I slept anywhere my sister had a little place to sleep.

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Jill Pauly: My parents had two beds.

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Jill Pauly: And when it was still dark in the morning, my mother started to scream like crazy.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Oh yeah.

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Jill Pauly: He was frightened black man with a cap, you know.

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Jill Pauly: Had a white guy came into the bedroom.

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Jill Pauly: huh and offered her tea.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Oh uh huh.

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Jill Pauly: And that was the British.

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Jill Pauly: Yes.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): yeah.

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Jill Pauly: And she got terribly frightened she look, you can imagine, after what she'd been through some anyone to walk in, and while she was sleeping she was hysterical.

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Jill Pauly: Right, but my father calm down and we we both had campaigns, you know what campaigns are.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Like a Cot.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Fats yes.

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Jill Pauly: And we only slept there one night and then the whole group.

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Jill Pauly: went to Nairobi.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: And somebody I don't know who in the family was there before us.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: I don't remember who that was and had rented a huge house.

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Jill Pauly: From a lord and Lady napkin.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): uh huh.

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Jill Pauly: So all 17 of us were in one house.

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Jill Pauly: Right and since we haven't had any schooling my parents are kind of frantic.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: and sent us to a school nearby.

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Jill Pauly: Right, but we had to cross.

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Jill Pauly: um, what do you call that a river.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): river mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: What screen a stream, but a pretty heavy stream.

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Jill Pauly: Everywhere, every day, when we went we had to take our shoes and socks socks off.

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Jill Pauly: both ways.

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Jill Pauly: Right, but we couldn't go without a compact without companions that wasn't done the British the British were very nice they they sort of lecture them on how to deal with things in Nairobi.

404
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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: Was we didn't know, nobody knew the language.

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Jill Pauly: Right and.

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Jill Pauly: But a one one person came up and said that he had two very, very nice black boys who would carry our lunch boxes and walk us to school and then pick us up.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: And they did that, for a while, but they didn't feel comfortable that were kind of afraid.

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Jill Pauly: And we absolutely hated that school.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): yeah the.

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Jill Pauly: Teachers had no concern whatsoever about.

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Jill Pauly: Our being new children to the country about needing a little you know.

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Jill Pauly: Good.

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Jill Pauly: A little space to learn.

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Jill Pauly: didn't happen there.

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Jill Pauly: Right, I came home every day crying.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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Jill Pauly: And my grandmother wanted to know why I was crying and she says, have you been to cry we learned you learn, it should know any English either.

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Jill Pauly: It just didn't work.

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Jill Pauly: Right and.

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Jill Pauly: Then, my men in the family.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

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00:28:10.770 --> 00:28:12.750
Jill Pauly: went out to buy farm.

425
00:28:13.800 --> 00:28:14.280
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

426
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:15.030
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): That bonus.

427
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:22.620
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Because this was after they had been detained for being German citizens right.

428
00:28:23.070 --> 00:28:29.760
Jill Pauly: No, the detention came Thank God the detention came after we had bought the farm.

429
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:31.230
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Oh, I see okay.

430
00:28:31.710 --> 00:28:34.680
Jill Pauly: And they were detained, they were put in.

431
00:28:35.850 --> 00:28:38.400
Jill Pauly: Whatever you call those places, you know, like.

432
00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:41.430
Jill Pauly: All the Jewish men.

433
00:28:42.870 --> 00:28:44.250
Jill Pauly: Jewish white men.

434
00:28:44.790 --> 00:28:46.890
Jill Pauly: were put in this detention Center.

435
00:28:47.370 --> 00:28:47.820
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

436
00:28:49.110 --> 00:28:49.830
Jill Pauly: and

437
00:28:51.330 --> 00:28:53.280
Jill Pauly: They came from my grandfather to.

438
00:28:54.120 --> 00:29:00.510
Jill Pauly: my grandmother said well that's fine but you're going to have to have me with him because he can do anything himself.

439
00:29:01.350 --> 00:29:02.700
Jill Pauly: So they left him at home.

440
00:29:03.540 --> 00:29:06.990
Jill Pauly: hmm and they will only in the detention Center week.

441
00:29:07.470 --> 00:29:11.400
Jill Pauly: Right and they were let go because they had bought a farm.

442
00:29:11.790 --> 00:29:14.190
Jill Pauly: hmm because they knew where they would be.

443
00:29:14.790 --> 00:29:16.950
Jill Pauly: made did not trust june's.

444
00:29:17.460 --> 00:29:20.940
Jill Pauly: hmm they've you know Jews were justice.

445
00:29:23.070 --> 00:29:25.770
Jill Pauly: how shall I say we're not exempt from.

446
00:29:28.050 --> 00:29:33.510
Jill Pauly: People who would give material to the Nazis.

447
00:29:34.770 --> 00:29:37.260
Jill Pauly: They didn't they didn't tell them they didn't trust anyone.

448
00:29:37.950 --> 00:29:38.400
Right.

449
00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:46.200
Jill Pauly: I was a big problem, but as soon as we got to the farm, it was over, nobody bothered us anymore.

450
00:29:46.560 --> 00:30:00.720
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Right so i'm just before we get to your life on the farm, I do want to ask the young men who would walk you to school, they were the ones who taught us Swahili right.

451
00:30:00.930 --> 00:30:02.460
Jill Pauly: Yes, I spoke Swahili.

452
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:05.070
Jill Pauly: With us there and with us back and.

453
00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:07.920
Jill Pauly: By the time we left the place we knew Swahili.

454
00:30:08.310 --> 00:30:09.900
Jill Pauly: And usually do in life.

455
00:30:09.900 --> 00:30:10.860
Jill Pauly: No English yet.

456
00:30:11.310 --> 00:30:16.620
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Right, but so you and your sister are the only ones who are are able to speak the local.

457
00:30:16.650 --> 00:30:19.110
Jill Pauly: Language yes, I guess, in the beginning, yes.

458
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:22.260
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): And, and so this is on the farm.

459
00:30:23.250 --> 00:30:24.600
Jill Pauly: Now we get to the farm.

460
00:30:24.660 --> 00:30:30.840
Jill Pauly: Yes, and they are hiring people to work on the farm, nobody can speak to the people.

461
00:30:31.770 --> 00:30:32.310
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Yes.

462
00:30:32.520 --> 00:30:33.570
Jill Pauly: They had to learn.

463
00:30:35.940 --> 00:30:36.450
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): yeah.

464
00:30:36.690 --> 00:30:45.270
Jill Pauly: It took a while, but it wasn't that long everybody was talking Swahili some of them spoke poorly some but they all managed to get along.

465
00:30:45.420 --> 00:30:45.960
Important.

466
00:30:47.550 --> 00:30:49.200
Jill Pauly: And the farm was gorgeous.

467
00:30:49.620 --> 00:30:51.960
Jill Pauly: yeah or just.

468
00:30:52.620 --> 00:30:54.120
Jill Pauly: 300 acres.

469
00:30:55.320 --> 00:30:57.270
Jill Pauly: With two beautiful houses.

470
00:30:57.450 --> 00:30:58.020
Right.

471
00:30:59.520 --> 00:31:02.340
Jill Pauly: And three families live in one house.

472
00:31:02.490 --> 00:31:02.970
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

473
00:31:04.020 --> 00:31:09.810
Jill Pauly: And my family my parents my grandparents and my uncle lived in another house.

474
00:31:10.230 --> 00:31:25.170
Jill Pauly: mm hmm and they had religious services they had we had somehow we don't have any money left I don't think there is no money, it was gone.

475
00:31:25.710 --> 00:31:30.180
Jill Pauly: yeah but it took maybe six months to a year.

476
00:31:30.930 --> 00:31:31.350
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

477
00:31:31.770 --> 00:31:34.560
Jill Pauly: To start producing and and.

478
00:31:35.670 --> 00:31:42.750
Jill Pauly: Being able to make a go of it, and if you see, I don't know if you have the picture on that i'm looking at.

479
00:31:43.530 --> 00:31:45.750
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Oh yes, the one of your father and.

480
00:31:45.870 --> 00:31:48.150
Jill Pauly: Yes, but in the back or two men.

481
00:31:48.210 --> 00:31:49.800
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): In seeing yeah.

482
00:31:49.860 --> 00:31:52.380
Jill Pauly: These we always have pain guess.

483
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:54.450
Jill Pauly: I was part of the business.

484
00:31:54.600 --> 00:31:59.040
Jill Pauly: Right and we had a wonderful time with the pain gets.

485
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:01.500
Jill Pauly: my sister and I had a ball.

486
00:32:01.860 --> 00:32:04.470
Jill Pauly: yeah yes was fun.

487
00:32:05.490 --> 00:32:15.060
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): um so at this oh also I want to ask what so what were you raising on the farm, was it was it still cattle from when your father was in Germany.

488
00:32:16.170 --> 00:32:24.330
Jill Pauly: No capital yes capital capital but different in Africa under the British idea.

489
00:32:24.840 --> 00:32:25.170
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

490
00:32:25.380 --> 00:32:29.040
Jill Pauly: um i'm all the animals that have value.

491
00:32:29.430 --> 00:32:30.600
Jill Pauly: have to be.

492
00:32:31.980 --> 00:32:32.850
Jill Pauly: what's that word.

493
00:32:35.370 --> 00:32:41.010
Jill Pauly: I think of it it'll come to me there had to be branded branded and a half.

494
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:44.280
Jill Pauly: And knock it out, it had to be special.

495
00:32:45.360 --> 00:32:45.840
Jill Pauly: um.

496
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:48.120
Jill Pauly: They they.

497
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:53.790
Jill Pauly: plan to survive to survive in the end, the climate.

498
00:32:54.210 --> 00:32:54.600
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

499
00:32:55.110 --> 00:33:05.250
Jill Pauly: And they had to be whenever calf was born somebody had to fill in the pictures they had to be they were documented documented.

500
00:33:05.940 --> 00:33:06.960
Jill Pauly: In Nairobi.

501
00:33:07.380 --> 00:33:07.740
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

502
00:33:08.700 --> 00:33:09.870
and

503
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:14.820
Jill Pauly: The capital was not African it was British.

504
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:19.290
Jill Pauly: I think it will come from the capital was not African capital.

505
00:33:19.800 --> 00:33:20.310
uh huh.

506
00:33:21.420 --> 00:33:22.020
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): So they were.

507
00:33:23.430 --> 00:33:23.850
Jill Pauly: Right.

508
00:33:24.870 --> 00:33:28.170
Jill Pauly: But they raised a lot of them.

509
00:33:30.390 --> 00:33:31.440
Jill Pauly: And then sold them.

510
00:33:32.490 --> 00:33:34.440
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): And, and you were also growing pirate.

511
00:33:35.040 --> 00:33:38.070
Jill Pauly: As well right for a swim Oh, that was a problem.

512
00:33:38.520 --> 00:33:42.840
Jill Pauly: We didn't know that it also carried terrific allergens.

513
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:43.410
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

514
00:33:44.460 --> 00:33:49.500
Jill Pauly: And my mother was terribly she got very, very sick she had to leave the farm.

515
00:33:50.250 --> 00:33:53.460
Jill Pauly: mm hmm and my father rented a house in Nairobi.

516
00:33:53.820 --> 00:33:54.270
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

517
00:33:54.660 --> 00:34:03.360
Jill Pauly: So the last I would say two years by sister and I and my mother and my father for weekends lived in Nairobi.

518
00:34:03.810 --> 00:34:04.230
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

519
00:34:05.250 --> 00:34:06.300
Jill Pauly: And we loved it.

520
00:34:06.990 --> 00:34:09.120
Jill Pauly: yeah we bicycle to school.

521
00:34:09.690 --> 00:34:10.200
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

522
00:34:11.220 --> 00:34:13.320
Jill Pauly: Then, like all the children at the school.

523
00:34:15.390 --> 00:34:17.340
Jill Pauly: And the teachers will wicked.

524
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:21.000
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): yeah that you, you have some pretty anti Semitic.

525
00:34:21.450 --> 00:34:25.410
Jill Pauly: teacher every they were not only anti Semitic that were unhappy.

526
00:34:26.130 --> 00:34:26.520
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

527
00:34:26.550 --> 00:34:29.850
Jill Pauly: They were forced to be there by the British Government.

528
00:34:30.450 --> 00:34:30.870
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

529
00:34:31.530 --> 00:34:33.660
Jill Pauly: So they didn't have happy lives.

530
00:34:33.900 --> 00:34:36.000
Jill Pauly: Right and.

531
00:34:37.380 --> 00:34:38.580
Jill Pauly: I was beaten.

532
00:34:39.240 --> 00:34:42.210
Jill Pauly: mm hmm about why was I beaten.

533
00:34:43.230 --> 00:34:49.350
Jill Pauly: Oh yes, I remember this girl, the one on the right, if you see the picture the fatty.

534
00:34:50.340 --> 00:34:56.010
Jill Pauly: Number one i'm i'm, on the other side we won't be in because we didn't.

535
00:34:56.460 --> 00:34:59.550
Jill Pauly: We didn't learn to conjugate properly.

536
00:35:00.030 --> 00:35:00.420
hmm.

537
00:35:02.070 --> 00:35:09.060
Jill Pauly: And he I was beaten so hard by the teacher that she broke all the vessels in the back of my legs.

538
00:35:09.570 --> 00:35:10.530
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Oh, goodness.

539
00:35:10.620 --> 00:35:11.610
Jill Pauly: I couldn't walk.

540
00:35:12.240 --> 00:35:12.660
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

541
00:35:13.260 --> 00:35:16.350
Jill Pauly: And that's the one time in my life, my father went to school.

542
00:35:17.070 --> 00:35:17.550
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

543
00:35:18.750 --> 00:35:23.160
Jill Pauly: And and had a little discussion with the principal.

544
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:26.010
Jill Pauly: Right and.

545
00:35:27.030 --> 00:35:29.820
Jill Pauly: They the teachers were just very unhappy people.

546
00:35:30.210 --> 00:35:30.720
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

547
00:35:32.730 --> 00:35:35.880
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): But your and your sister is also going to school at this point my.

548
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:37.800
Jill Pauly: sister is four years ahead of me.

549
00:35:38.040 --> 00:35:42.450
Jill Pauly: Right in school, and she was a brilliant student nobody ever touched.

550
00:35:43.350 --> 00:35:43.890
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

551
00:35:44.730 --> 00:35:45.540
She.

552
00:35:46.620 --> 00:35:48.450
Jill Pauly: She was.

553
00:35:50.310 --> 00:35:55.290
Jill Pauly: What do you call that Kurt accepted by fox fun and by Cambridge.

554
00:35:55.380 --> 00:35:55.950
Right.

555
00:35:57.600 --> 00:36:00.480
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): But your daughter wanted to keep the family together.

556
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:02.550
Jill Pauly: And so, yes, yes, yes.

557
00:36:02.970 --> 00:36:09.300
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): So that was also part of the reason why you decided to leave for the United States as well, right so she could.

558
00:36:09.330 --> 00:36:16.560
Jill Pauly: Yes, yes, he he came to the United States because he had two daughters, who were going to get married at some point.

559
00:36:16.980 --> 00:36:20.790
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm and he went and he was so one of the family to be kept together right.

560
00:36:20.820 --> 00:36:27.990
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Yes, right so so you you decided to move to the United States at the end of the war in the Kenya.

561
00:36:28.050 --> 00:36:29.610
Jill Pauly: Yes, the whole family moved.

562
00:36:29.790 --> 00:36:33.810
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Right so So what do you remember about that was there a lot of sort of culture shock.

563
00:36:35.220 --> 00:36:39.600
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Did you did you have kind of a hard time adjusting to a new country.

564
00:36:41.010 --> 00:36:42.420
Jill Pauly: What about time.

565
00:36:43.680 --> 00:36:45.270
Jill Pauly: They made a terrible mistake.

566
00:36:46.050 --> 00:36:50.520
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): yeah you were you were with highest and they they told your dad to become a chicken farmer.

567
00:36:50.610 --> 00:36:51.750
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Yes, yeah.

568
00:36:51.780 --> 00:36:55.050
Jill Pauly: They bought they bought these stupid chicken farms.

569
00:36:55.350 --> 00:36:56.430
Jill Pauly: hmm and.

570
00:36:59.790 --> 00:37:09.150
Jill Pauly: They haven't they had a hard time they had a very hard time for about four or five years, making bread on the table, it was very difficult and.

571
00:37:11.010 --> 00:37:12.150
Jill Pauly: I would say.

572
00:37:13.680 --> 00:37:17.160
Jill Pauly: I went to vitamin high school and then from there, I went to.

573
00:37:18.270 --> 00:37:23.880
Jill Pauly: Business School in Philadelphia and i'm from Philadelphia went to New York to work.

574
00:37:24.600 --> 00:37:25.800
Jill Pauly: Right and.

575
00:37:28.110 --> 00:37:28.830
Jill Pauly: and

576
00:37:30.630 --> 00:37:35.580
Jill Pauly: The farming they they sold they sold.

577
00:37:36.300 --> 00:37:37.110
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): They sold the farm.

578
00:37:37.140 --> 00:37:39.060
Jill Pauly: They sold the chicken farms.

579
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:39.840
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): And also.

580
00:37:39.900 --> 00:37:43.650
Jill Pauly: My father, my father was very successful but with apple.

581
00:37:44.370 --> 00:37:47.820
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Right and your your father was allergic to chickens right yes.

582
00:37:47.850 --> 00:37:49.470
Jill Pauly: For made it the best, but he.

583
00:37:49.740 --> 00:37:51.810
Jill Pauly: He made the living with a capital.

584
00:37:52.230 --> 00:37:55.860
Jill Pauly: hmm female He really did very, very well.

585
00:37:56.370 --> 00:37:58.890
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): So where do they know the cattle farmers.

586
00:37:58.950 --> 00:38:00.030
Jill Pauly: Yes, and he.

587
00:38:01.560 --> 00:38:02.520
Jill Pauly: He got sick.

588
00:38:03.090 --> 00:38:05.610
Jill Pauly: And then they moved to town and then.

589
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:09.930
Jill Pauly: It was very sick at cancer and he passed away.

590
00:38:10.200 --> 00:38:10.620
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

591
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:16.350
Jill Pauly: But we were in the in the greatest.

592
00:38:17.580 --> 00:38:20.610
Jill Pauly: You know, in the greatest sense we would offer the lucky.

593
00:38:21.120 --> 00:38:21.570
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

594
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:42.000
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): So you move to the United States, and I know that you met your husband Kurt in 1957 and I think it's a really cute story, how you met, and this is the two of you can you can you tell us about how you met because he's also a Holocaust survivor so.

595
00:38:42.390 --> 00:38:43.380
Jill Pauly: it's my sister.

596
00:38:43.620 --> 00:38:45.210
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): No, no, you and your husband.

597
00:38:45.330 --> 00:38:47.640
Jill Pauly: My husband, yes, his family left.

598
00:38:49.110 --> 00:38:51.000
Jill Pauly: Left Germany earlier.

599
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:51.870
huh.

600
00:38:53.250 --> 00:38:53.610
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): yeah.

601
00:38:54.090 --> 00:38:57.000
Jill Pauly: And then he came to to.

602
00:38:58.860 --> 00:39:00.210
Jill Pauly: to America.

603
00:39:00.510 --> 00:39:04.890
Jill Pauly: And I didn't know I didn't know him and I didn't even know, I was looking for a husband.

604
00:39:04.950 --> 00:39:07.080
Jill Pauly: I didn't know, I was just looking for good times.

605
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:08.190
Jill Pauly: right but.

606
00:39:09.750 --> 00:39:20.160
Jill Pauly: It was this fellow, who was a friend of my sisters and brother in law they used to go to a music appreciation program together.

607
00:39:20.520 --> 00:39:28.050
Jill Pauly: yeah and one day it's man, a friend of my sisters said, you know I got someone for your sister.

608
00:39:28.560 --> 00:39:29.100
huh.

609
00:39:31.080 --> 00:39:34.800
Jill Pauly: He opens his mouth and she never shuts hers.

610
00:39:36.060 --> 00:39:37.410
Jill Pauly: they'll make a perfect couple.

611
00:39:38.910 --> 00:39:40.050
Jill Pauly: And that's a story.

612
00:39:42.420 --> 00:39:42.780
Jill Pauly: Right.

613
00:39:43.290 --> 00:39:44.520
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Yes, and.

614
00:39:45.600 --> 00:39:48.000
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): And this is you to on your wedding day.

615
00:39:49.170 --> 00:39:58.920
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Beautiful dress and I just love this picture of the two of you do you remember what do you remember about your Do you remember anything about your wedding that like kind of sticks out.

616
00:39:59.730 --> 00:40:00.900
Jill Pauly: I didn't understand that.

617
00:40:01.170 --> 00:40:05.760
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Do you remember, like is there any stories about your wedding that kind of stick out as well.

618
00:40:06.510 --> 00:40:07.320
and

619
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:09.180
Jill Pauly: Now.

620
00:40:09.630 --> 00:40:10.890
Jill Pauly: it's kind of normal.

621
00:40:11.100 --> 00:40:11.640
yeah.

622
00:40:13.740 --> 00:40:26.490
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): um so we have some questions in the chat as well um can you talk about sort of the Jewish community near you that was around you in.

623
00:40:27.510 --> 00:40:30.210
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): both Germany and once you've got to Kenya.

624
00:40:32.160 --> 00:40:33.210
Jill Pauly: The Jewish community.

625
00:40:33.450 --> 00:40:34.980
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): yeah did you was there.

626
00:40:35.160 --> 00:40:38.820
Jill Pauly: Well, the Jewish community in Kenya.

627
00:40:39.150 --> 00:40:39.600
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

628
00:40:40.350 --> 00:40:44.100
Jill Pauly: were people who came very early.

629
00:40:44.550 --> 00:40:44.970
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

630
00:40:45.090 --> 00:40:46.170
Jill Pauly: A group of them.

631
00:40:47.490 --> 00:40:55.860
Jill Pauly: From I don't know which countries, whether they came from Russia or whether they came from England or whether I don't know where they came from.

632
00:40:55.950 --> 00:40:56.550
But.

633
00:40:57.600 --> 00:40:58.440
Jill Pauly: They were very.

634
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:05.490
Jill Pauly: very much into Kenya.

635
00:41:06.120 --> 00:41:06.480
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

636
00:41:06.510 --> 00:41:08.370
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): British right.

637
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:14.640
Jill Pauly: They learned all the whatever was expected of them, they learn and they became very wealthy.

638
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:15.450
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

639
00:41:16.410 --> 00:41:19.950
Jill Pauly: um but they didn't like German Jews.

640
00:41:20.520 --> 00:41:25.560
Jill Pauly: mm hmm and they never they never really helped us.

641
00:41:25.950 --> 00:41:26.790
Jill Pauly: in any way.

642
00:41:28.200 --> 00:41:31.440
Jill Pauly: It guns, a little boy's mother was a nurse.

643
00:41:31.710 --> 00:41:32.190
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

644
00:41:32.700 --> 00:41:42.960
Jill Pauly: And she kind of broke the ice when they found out that she nursed people they hired her and I roby.

645
00:41:43.500 --> 00:41:47.340
Jill Pauly: uh huh and she became a little bit more.

646
00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:51.210
Jill Pauly: Acceptable accepted, you know they accepted her.

647
00:41:51.600 --> 00:41:57.510
Jill Pauly: Right ever they've never accepted anyone in the family.

648
00:41:58.020 --> 00:42:02.640
Jill Pauly: mm hmm it would just different people they didn't want to have anything to do with us.

649
00:42:03.120 --> 00:42:03.480
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

650
00:42:03.570 --> 00:42:07.050
Jill Pauly: And I might tell you, we were the only ones that were really orthodox.

651
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:10.260
Jill Pauly: Right, and I think that kind of.

652
00:42:11.670 --> 00:42:13.170
Jill Pauly: slipped a little.

653
00:42:14.790 --> 00:42:16.230
Jill Pauly: uh how shall I say.

654
00:42:18.330 --> 00:42:20.970
Jill Pauly: Remembrance from their families.

655
00:42:21.120 --> 00:42:21.510
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

656
00:42:22.380 --> 00:42:24.870
Jill Pauly: and so on, and who knows.

657
00:42:25.290 --> 00:42:28.710
Jill Pauly: It could just if they were not very welcoming.

658
00:42:29.460 --> 00:42:38.640
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Okay, and then we also have another question Do you remember any of the songs that you saying, while you were on the ship, the link to Kenya.

659
00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:39.660
Jill Pauly: Oh yes, sure.

660
00:42:40.830 --> 00:42:43.260
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Do you do you remember the names of any of them, you can tell us.

661
00:42:45.660 --> 00:42:46.980
Jill Pauly: I don't want to sing them.

662
00:42:47.430 --> 00:42:50.520
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): know you know just if you're, if you remember any of the names.

663
00:42:51.240 --> 00:42:53.970
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Now, no, but you but you do remember.

664
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:55.830
Jill Pauly: You remember singing.

665
00:42:56.610 --> 00:43:01.140
Jill Pauly: And they were doing songs and I didn't want to sing them anymore.

666
00:43:01.620 --> 00:43:02.850
Jill Pauly: And I can't remember the.

667
00:43:03.690 --> 00:43:04.110
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

668
00:43:05.670 --> 00:43:06.720
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): And then also.

669
00:43:08.190 --> 00:43:10.740
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): People are wondering what what.

670
00:43:11.970 --> 00:43:15.990
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): sort of what happened to your sister after she came to the US.

671
00:43:16.260 --> 00:43:19.410
Jill Pauly: because she well you know we've we skipped something.

672
00:43:20.040 --> 00:43:23.580
Jill Pauly: We took went on another ship, you know, to come to America.

673
00:43:23.850 --> 00:43:27.360
Jill Pauly: right that was kind of an interesting trip.

674
00:43:27.690 --> 00:43:28.170
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

675
00:43:28.530 --> 00:43:31.710
Jill Pauly: We were on the boat for seven weeks.

676
00:43:31.950 --> 00:43:32.730
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Oh well.

677
00:43:33.090 --> 00:43:33.630
Jill Pauly: uh huh.

678
00:43:34.350 --> 00:43:35.460
Jill Pauly: And the only time.

679
00:43:35.730 --> 00:43:44.220
Jill Pauly: We might Father took us off, you know those little countries between Nairobi between Mombasa and Cape Town.

680
00:43:44.550 --> 00:43:46.890
Jill Pauly: They have different names than they have now.

681
00:43:47.340 --> 00:43:47.820
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): uh huh.

682
00:43:48.300 --> 00:43:55.500
Jill Pauly: But whenever the ship would land close enough to land I remember once he hired a dinghy.

683
00:43:56.130 --> 00:43:56.670
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): uh huh.

684
00:43:56.790 --> 00:44:04.080
Jill Pauly: And it took us to the land and We walked around there because we've really awful being on the ship for seven weeks.

685
00:44:04.350 --> 00:44:10.500
Jill Pauly: hmm so we did that, and then, when we got to Cape Town Cape Town was gorgeous.

686
00:44:10.770 --> 00:44:14.580
Jill Pauly: mm hmm there was a friend of my father's who picked us up.

687
00:44:15.210 --> 00:44:15.720
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

688
00:44:16.770 --> 00:44:21.150
Jill Pauly: And took us out to eat, I have to tell you this is funny.

689
00:44:23.160 --> 00:44:30.150
Jill Pauly: We were starving we honestly this ship we ate the same thing, day in and day out.

690
00:44:30.780 --> 00:44:32.370
Jill Pauly: oranges and and.

691
00:44:32.550 --> 00:44:33.930
Jill Pauly: We didn't have anything cook.

692
00:44:34.260 --> 00:44:37.320
Jill Pauly: Because my my family was strictly kosher.

693
00:44:37.740 --> 00:44:38.820
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Right mm hmm.

694
00:44:38.940 --> 00:44:45.180
Jill Pauly: And so, this guy takes us to a restaurant and we were all just so hungry.

695
00:44:45.720 --> 00:44:46.230
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

696
00:44:46.350 --> 00:44:46.920
and

697
00:44:48.600 --> 00:44:51.300
Jill Pauly: To be safe, my mother said we'll have fish.

698
00:44:51.930 --> 00:44:52.410
Right.

699
00:44:53.670 --> 00:44:54.780
Jill Pauly: delicious fish.

700
00:44:55.140 --> 00:44:58.320
Jill Pauly: yeah so she said to me do me a favor.

701
00:44:59.580 --> 00:45:03.930
Jill Pauly: Ask the fellow that brings out the food, what kind of fish, this is.

702
00:45:04.260 --> 00:45:04.710
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): uh huh.

703
00:45:05.520 --> 00:45:07.230
Jill Pauly: And it was straight fresh.

704
00:45:08.250 --> 00:45:08.850
Jill Pauly: approach.

705
00:45:11.910 --> 00:45:12.690
Jill Pauly: Oh God.

706
00:45:13.500 --> 00:45:17.610
Jill Pauly: Oh, my mother gave my father said child by listening to us friend.

707
00:45:17.940 --> 00:45:18.780
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Oh i'm sure.

708
00:45:18.870 --> 00:45:22.140
Jill Pauly: It happened yeah we did not get off the ship.

709
00:45:22.200 --> 00:45:22.620
In.

710
00:45:25.530 --> 00:45:26.340
Jill Pauly: Cape Town.

711
00:45:26.850 --> 00:45:27.360
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

712
00:45:27.450 --> 00:45:29.220
Jill Pauly: You know where the table top is.

713
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:33.570
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Right and was that your last stop before going.

714
00:45:34.620 --> 00:45:36.780
Jill Pauly: You know, to the we had to get back on the ship.

715
00:45:37.110 --> 00:45:42.660
Jill Pauly: right and it may have stopped I don't remember in Cape Town, but we couldn't get off.

716
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:48.390
Jill Pauly: hmm and then it took from Cape Town to Boston took seven weeks.

717
00:45:48.630 --> 00:45:50.730
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Well, well.

718
00:45:51.780 --> 00:45:53.430
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): yeah that's that's a lot.

719
00:45:53.670 --> 00:45:57.540
Jill Pauly: of time, and it was very my sister got terribly sick.

720
00:45:57.870 --> 00:45:59.670
Jill Pauly: hmm I don't know what she had.

721
00:46:00.090 --> 00:46:01.260
Jill Pauly: been terribly sick.

722
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:04.890
Jill Pauly: And it was boring, if we really awful boring.

723
00:46:05.310 --> 00:46:05.820
yeah.

724
00:46:06.900 --> 00:46:08.220
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): And, and so.

725
00:46:08.430 --> 00:46:10.560
Jill Pauly: I didn't sing at this group anymore.

726
00:46:10.590 --> 00:46:10.920
Right.

727
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:17.940
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): So, so you, you know I know you went to business.

728
00:46:17.970 --> 00:46:22.470
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): college and as a real estate agent and.

729
00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:26.640
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): remind me where you were real estate agent i'm sorry i'm blinking.

730
00:46:28.680 --> 00:46:29.460
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): What you say are.

731
00:46:29.490 --> 00:46:37.950
Jill Pauly: In Maryland you are Oh, we moved to Maryland oh 17 years after we were married we moved to Maryland.

732
00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:38.790
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): And you.

733
00:46:39.060 --> 00:46:41.100
Jill Pauly: Were New York for 17 years.

734
00:46:41.160 --> 00:46:44.130
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Right and you became a real estate agent at that point.

735
00:46:44.160 --> 00:46:46.620
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Yes, and what what did your husband do.

736
00:46:48.810 --> 00:46:52.890
Jill Pauly: What you do CPA here's a CPA.

737
00:46:54.270 --> 00:46:55.380
Jill Pauly: Lockheed Martin.

738
00:46:56.040 --> 00:46:58.440
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Oh right okay and.

739
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:05.340
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): And then, how did you become involved in the United States Holocaust Memorial museum.

740
00:47:05.700 --> 00:47:07.110
Jill Pauly: Oh, that was easy.

741
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:12.180
Jill Pauly: huh yes um we were both retiring.

742
00:47:12.690 --> 00:47:13.080
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

743
00:47:13.110 --> 00:47:15.180
Jill Pauly: When the museum was opening.

744
00:47:15.660 --> 00:47:16.140
Right.

745
00:47:17.310 --> 00:47:20.520
Jill Pauly: And we went to see it.

746
00:47:20.940 --> 00:47:21.360
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

747
00:47:22.290 --> 00:47:27.570
Jill Pauly: And they they were always encouraging survivors to come in and work.

748
00:47:27.900 --> 00:47:28.350
Jill Pauly: I mean.

749
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:29.520
Jill Pauly: It wasn't work.

750
00:47:30.030 --> 00:47:32.460
Jill Pauly: Right sat at a desk and did things.

751
00:47:32.670 --> 00:47:33.900
Jill Pauly: But they needed people.

752
00:47:34.410 --> 00:47:38.640
Jill Pauly: Right, so we volunteered for 23 years every Monday.

753
00:47:39.180 --> 00:47:39.690
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

754
00:47:40.980 --> 00:47:42.630
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): And then, and so that's.

755
00:47:43.230 --> 00:47:44.580
Jill Pauly: i'm still in touch with them.

756
00:47:44.730 --> 00:47:51.030
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): yeah yeah I know you've done some events with them pretty recently like in the last few years as well.

757
00:47:52.590 --> 00:47:56.580
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): So then, when did you move to back to New York.

758
00:47:58.200 --> 00:47:58.860
Jill Pauly: This time.

759
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:01.290
Jill Pauly: Yes, we moved here, four years ago.

760
00:48:01.680 --> 00:48:02.250
Okay.

761
00:48:04.710 --> 00:48:08.790
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Great well so we're sort of kind of reaching the end of our time.

762
00:48:10.260 --> 00:48:16.350
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): So I want to ask what do you think that what What would you like people to sort of take from your story.

763
00:48:18.120 --> 00:48:18.870
Jill Pauly: lucky.

764
00:48:19.710 --> 00:48:20.190
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

765
00:48:21.270 --> 00:48:22.470
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Look, played a big role.

766
00:48:22.770 --> 00:48:34.980
Jill Pauly: In some, as I told you, the other people involved to help us get out there was a man in in working in in Kenya, who was very respected and he lived.

767
00:48:35.490 --> 00:48:45.060
Jill Pauly: He worked in some kind of office, I don't know what he did, and the British respected him and he was able to convince them that we had enough money to come in.

768
00:48:45.750 --> 00:48:46.170
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

769
00:48:46.590 --> 00:48:47.610
Jill Pauly: That was all luck.

770
00:48:48.240 --> 00:48:49.710
Jill Pauly: yeah god's will.

771
00:48:50.490 --> 00:48:50.940
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): mm hmm.

772
00:48:52.830 --> 00:48:53.310
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): yeah.

773
00:48:54.720 --> 00:49:01.050
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Well, thank you so much Jill for taking the time to come, talk to us today, we really appreciate it.

774
00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:08.820
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): it's been really amazing to hear your story, and I want to thank all of you for joining us.

775
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:17.280
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Everything we do at the museum is made possible by donation, so if.

776
00:49:17.910 --> 00:49:34.200
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): You feel so inclined, we would love it if you would consider making a donation to the museum, which you can do on add the link that i'm about to put in the chat so thank you all so much, and thank you again Jill it's really been a pleasure.

777
00:49:34.410 --> 00:49:35.550
Jill Pauly: Thank you for having me.

778
00:49:35.820 --> 00:49:38.040
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): yeah all right.

779
00:49:43.770 --> 00:49:46.470
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): And i'll put that link in the chat really quick and then.

780
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:51.000
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): yeah everyone have a great afternoon Thank you so much.

781
00:49:52.860 --> 00:49:53.220
Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Okay.

782
00:49:54.270 --> 00:49:54.660
Jill Pauly: bye.