Curator Talk: “The Holocaust: What Hate Can Do”

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): My name is Sydney Yaeger and I'm the public programs coordinator at the Museum of Jewish heritage, a living memorial to the Holocaust.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Now, in its 24th year the museum is committed to the crucial mission of educating our diverse community about Jewish life and heritage, before, during and after the Holocaust.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): As part of that mission our programs are meant to illuminate the stories of survivors broader histories of heat and anti semitism through time and stories of resistance against injustice.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Today we are honored to be joined by Professor Judy tighter Bible Schwartz and Rebecca frank we're both Members of curatorial team for the museum's newest exhibition the Holocaust would hate can do.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Judy is the director of the Institute of Holocaust research and Professor of Jewish history at bar ilan university.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): She is also the Co editor of researchers remember research as an area as an arena of memory for descendants of Holocaust survivors.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Rebecca frank, has been the curatorial research assistant at the museum since December 2020.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): She received a BA in history and Jewish studies from cornell University in 2019 and an ma in Holocaust studies from the University of Haifa and 2020.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): During her study she interned at the United States Holocaust Memorial museum the audition the Jewish museum and the ghetto fighters house museum.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): If you have questions for our speakers during the program please put them in the zoom Q amp a box and we'll get to as many as we can, at the end of the hour i'd like to thank you all so much for joining us today, and now I would like to welcome Judy and becky onto the screen.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): All right, it's all you.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: Okay, so Hello everybody i'm Judy to urbandale Schwartz and I am the director of the Institute of Holocaust research at carleton university and I had the.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: privilege of being a historian curator for the new core exhibition at the Museum of German Jewish heritage in New York, the Holocaust what he can do.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: You have Bauer, who is one of the most prominent Holocaust historians in the world has often said.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: To be a good historian, you first have to know how to tell a good story well the Museum of Jewish heritage definitely knows how to tell a good.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: In this case, a tragic story, and it does so in a pathbreaking exhibition that open their last week, what is so unique about our exhibition it doesn't just tell a story.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: It shows you that story in the most material sense using hundreds of objects, mostly from its extensive collection and repository.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: graphics media all explained by Wolf next two different kinds which will show you some of them, along with a comprehensive audio guide that's available on the Bloomberg.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: It literally walks you through a flourishing Jewish history into a world that is shaped by hatred of Jews by anti semitism and it takes you then deep into the Holocaust, step by step.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: country by country story by story telling you what happened to Jews and other people persecuted by the Nazis and eventually murdered because of that hatred.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: But its most unique feature is how it helps those stories it tells it through objects and through the people behind those objects.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: You know it's so easy to say 6 million, and it is so difficult to understand what 6 million really is what does that number really mean, and therefore we do it story by story that's why we look at it, one by one.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: You know, opening room for example, we see a picture of a beautiful two year old girl that i'll be showing you later on when he was 11 Barber.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: she's standing on a garden path at a summer resort near the city and build them at the wailea before the war she's smiling over shoulder a little girl, looking at the camera.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: We see a middle aged Romanian housewife divorce Enzensberger mother 10.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: who's standing at the entrance to her house and perform in that area Jews actually had armed in the horror in covina.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: We follow them and we follow many others through out the war we tell their stories through objects that belong to them into their family and, as we understand the 6,000,001 by one.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: Therefore, we see, for example, you'll kind of miniature child safer Torah that she talked with her when they were being deported.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: With you see a small metal pot that you'll have his mother used to cook food in the Labor camp and we'll be showing it to you soon there's a.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: label on the path that tells you what happened to the family, we see a floor rug that's very standing on in the opening picture and later on in another room we're going to see that same rug, how do we have it well.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: What happened is that when the soldiers came to take them away to deport them.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: For his husband rothman was working in the field standing outside and the soldiers pulled in him, they wouldn't let him even go into the House to take code or something to wrapping self in.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: And he knew they would get cold at night, so he quickly grabbed up that floor rugby put it around his shoulders and that is the only.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: coach that he had when they were deported to Transdniestria, that was the rug that new words protection from the elements in the movie live ghetto until both teams were dying of hunger in March 1942.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: One day after the other, and soon we'll be showing you that rug and telling you the story of how it ended up at the museum and there's so much more but you'll hear about that, within the next few minutes.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: On a more personal note, looking back after 40 years with more than 40 years of teaching and writing about the Holocaust.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: curating this exhibition has been one of the high points of my personal and professional life personal because I got to know, an incredible group of people.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: Including becky Franco was here with us this evening Sydney acre and others.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: and professionally because it allowed me the privilege of creating something that I know will touch the hearts of hundreds of thousands of people will eventually learn about the Holocaust when they visit this exhibition.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: And they'll during the Holocaust happened not just to an amorphous 6 million Jews, the two men, women and children faces with stories and objects that live after them.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: And it's upon us to remember them through these objects, and this is what we're doing in this exhibition, thank you very much for.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: being with us today, just before I hand over the microphone to vicki frank.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: I just want to explain that we're going to be showing you the content and the design and the objects and a little bit of the texts but remember we're not a history book we're a museum.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: And therefore we try to include as much as we can, somebody is always going to come along and say but wait there's this little town that you didn't focus on that's right.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: This is to give you a taste of what we have from our collection.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: And we hope very much that it will make people interested enough to go home afterwards and just try to learn more that's what I do in my other hat, I actually teach the Holocaust so.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: We hope that you need to say enjoy like I say to my students, you can enjoy a course on the Holocaust, I hope you learned a lot this evening I hope we touch your hearts Thank you becky over to you.

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Rebecca Frank: Thank you so much Judy and Sydney and everyone for joining before we get into talking about a number of the specific objects and people's stories.

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Rebecca Frank: We wanted to just give you a brief overview of the exhibition of the floor plans and of the different topics that will be speaking about.

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Rebecca Frank: In the different rooms so as you enter the exhibition the very first hallway is right here on the Jewish diaspora, there will be 32 photos all CIRCA 1930.

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Rebecca Frank: Showing pre war Jewish life all over the world it's representing over 20 different countries within those 32 photos and, at the very end of that hallway there will be a sign that says, many of these Jews were no longer live by April 1943.

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Rebecca Frank: And that's because, as you enter this next room, the first room on April of 1943 visitors are immersed into this one month, where a microcosm of the Holocaust.

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Rebecca Frank: of a number of different events all occurring at once, so we speak about Passover in April of 1943.

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Rebecca Frank: about the Warsaw ghetto uprising about the Bermuda conference, but the we will never die memorial pageant about deportations from Libya deportations from polonica Greece about.

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Rebecca Frank: crematorium two and three being newly opened at Auschwitz all of those different events all at once, in April 1943 to show that.

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Rebecca Frank: symphony and cacophony of those events and really the what of the Holocaust, as we move into the second room it's on Jews and Judaism, where we go back in time to share the food.

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Rebecca Frank: And this is where we speak about Jews, the life cycle from birth to death, the holiday cycle about shabbat about Jewish learning and culture.

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Rebecca Frank: both religious and secular about the different Jewish languages, about the different Jewish groups and streams of Judaism and it's really a celebratory space.

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Rebecca Frank: showing that vibrancy and diversity of pre war Jewish life as we move into the next room it's on historical anti Judaism and anti semitism.

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Rebecca Frank: Where we have objects dating back to the 1400s and a historical timeline starting in 1096 mostly dating up until pre war so up until 1933 showing.

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Rebecca Frank: Expulsions of Jews lead libels pogroms protocols of the elders of Zion focusing in on French anti semitism and the Dreyfus affair.

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Rebecca Frank: On German anti semitism and on American anti semitism Henry Ford protocols of the elders of Zion Leo frank trial, we really cover a lot within this room.

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Rebecca Frank: As we move into the next room we're showing responses of Jews from 1881 to 1933 so immediately right after learning about pogroms we speak about many Jews who are emigrating.

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Rebecca Frank: Many to the United States between 1881 and 1933 about political movements scientism socialism about acculturation and juice.

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Rebecca Frank: Fighting in World War one for their respective nations Jews fighting against Jews about Jewish life in y mar Germany and that assimilation and then also rising anti semitism during that time.

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Rebecca Frank: In the next room we touch on Nazi Germany and it begins with the creation and rise of the Nazi party.

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Rebecca Frank: That how persecution of other groups eugenics Nazi propaganda book burnings the 1936 Olympics.

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Rebecca Frank: explaining the various different Nazi organizations, including them touching on the night of the long knives on Anti Jewish legislation persecution.

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Rebecca Frank: And it culminates at the end in 1938 which the Nazis, being the faithful year, where there was the Angeles annexation of Austria.

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Rebecca Frank: unit conference pull an action and crystal an off night of the broken glass as we move into the next room it's on flight and Jewish responses.

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Rebecca Frank: Where it's on Jewish community organizing struggle to leave showing that as many Jews wanted to leave it wasn't always so simple many countries wouldn't, let us in.

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Rebecca Frank: Emigration efforts and people that weren't able to leave the story of the Ms St Louis that heavy on conference Dominican Republic so Sue of letting Jews and.

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Rebecca Frank: kindertransport choose that led to Shanghai and also we especially touch on American immigration policies and various different American Jewish responses to Nazi ISM.

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Rebecca Frank: The final room on the first floor is on Nazi expansion so really This is where the war begins with the invasion of Poland in September of 1939.

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Rebecca Frank: Many Jews who fled to the USSR Nazi expansion and invasion of northern Western and southern Europe.

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Rebecca Frank: And as we're speaking about this Nazi expansion and you'll see this later as we speak about objects that are in this room.

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Rebecca Frank: we're also speaking about how it then affects Jews in the various territories that the Nazis were occupying.

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Rebecca Frank: And there's a beautiful display in this room of 36 yellow stars that belong to, Jews and a number of different countries from Croatia Hungary, Germany, Belgium, Bulgaria, the Netherlands, showing the variations of Jewish stars and the way that the Nazis expanding affected us in that land.

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Rebecca Frank: As we move on to the second floor the first room on the second floor is all on ghettos, and so we speak about a number of the different ghetto some village ghetto to build a ghetto Riga ghetto.

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Rebecca Frank: duration shot and about both their establishment ghetto announcements choose moving into the ghettos.

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Rebecca Frank: What daily life was like in the ghettos, with a number of different stories about people and.

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Rebecca Frank: What their time was like their spiritual resistance religious life cultural life children youth movements you didn't rot Jewish police.

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Rebecca Frank: gato resistance outside assistance partisans within the gatos and then we've touched on liquidation and deportation, which then we pick on later.

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Rebecca Frank: pick up later on in the exhibition move into the extreme, which is the final solution and the German conquered Soviet Union will begin with operation Barbosa on June 22 1941.

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Rebecca Frank: And then, this room really speaks about killing fields and the Holocaust by bullets or it's, also known as the genocide by mass shooting.

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Rebecca Frank: It focuses specifically on the massacre at Bob and yaar we speak about Jews in transmission area and about Roma and santi that were persecuted it throughout the Soviet Union.

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Rebecca Frank: As we move into the next room on roundups deportations and factories of murder it starts with operation Reinhard.

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Rebecca Frank: The ones, a conference roundups deportation and various different objects that belong to the individual, such as a letter that was written from a deportation train.

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Rebecca Frank: or objects that people either left behind or brought with them when they were being deported and then about the six death camps.

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Rebecca Frank: And next room is on hiding escape and resistance were in general seats are hiding and the different modes of individuals that head.

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Rebecca Frank: Then we focus in on children who are in hiding and various different objects and belongings and stories related to children in hiding then escape and various different escape efforts and missions and resistance and also we speak in this room about bystanders up standards and collaborators.

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Rebecca Frank: And the next room it's all about concentration camps and Labor camps and touching on a number of the different camps speaking about daily life starvation.

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Rebecca Frank: spiritual resistance clandestine culture and life in the camps and various correspondence in and out of the camps that did exist.

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Rebecca Frank: and extreme is on what the world new and did we speak about news of the final solution and of the Holocaust spreading to the free world.

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Rebecca Frank: The response of the United States of Great Britain, of the various allied nations both what they did do and what they could have done.

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Rebecca Frank: The war refugee board global rescue stories and the richie boys and in the final room death marches liberation and beginning again.

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Rebecca Frank: We begin with death marches then move into liberation, the end of the war American, British Soviet liberators, the Jewish power grid deep.

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Rebecca Frank: displaced person camps to boot spoke involved rebuilding families and life morning commemoration rebuilding Jewish life searching for family.

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Rebecca Frank: Global confrontation with atrocities Nuremberg trials immigration to the United States pre-state Israel.

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Rebecca Frank: The birth of Israel, the displaced persons act of 1948 Genocide Convention United Nations establishment in 1948 and, at the very end.

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Rebecca Frank: We have a final testimony and will speak later on in this program about the different videos throughout the exhibition, but the very last video is of survivors messages, it was really important for the curatorial team to have.

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Rebecca Frank: survivors give the very last word, and as you exit from this last room you'll enter this hallway where they will be 30 photos.

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Rebecca Frank: 20th which aren't black and white of Jews that did not survive and 10 are in color of Jews that did survive showing so much of what was lost and then also those that continued on rebuilding after the war.

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Rebecca Frank: So that was a very quick overview of everything that we will be touching on of course there's various objects and personal stories immersed with a where we continue to delve into that history but that's the overall outline of everything that we cover within this exhibition.

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Rebecca Frank: So, as we move on we'll be sharing select objects and stories from the exhibition as Judy mentioned there about 750 objects on view 98% of them come from the museum a Jewish heritage is collection.

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Rebecca Frank: Many of them are on view, for the very first time in our acquisitions that we're actively collecting institution.

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Rebecca Frank: And so there are objects that we acquired within the last few years, that people are able to see the objects and learn the stories, for the first time.

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Rebecca Frank: And objects that come from our collection that hadn't been on you, yet and an exhibition, so in this very first room on the Jewish diaspora CIRCA 1930.

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Rebecca Frank: Your two examples of photos that you'll see on the left is a photo and it's a baby Max learner and his parents when they are on vacation in Italy in 1927.

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Rebecca Frank: And Max is someone that visitors are able to follow him throughout the exhibition there's a number of different individuals that we touch on in one earlier room and then you will see later on.

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Rebecca Frank: And he's someone that you'll see here in 1927 a photo of him as a baby and then again a photo of him in the very last room in 2021.

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Rebecca Frank: of him and his wife many, many years later, and so, when you're throughout the exhibition, you can follow him.

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Rebecca Frank: And for us being able to really connect to these people and their stories was so important, so being able to not only see them.

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Rebecca Frank: individually in one place, but to really follow them and continue to see max's life in 1927 and then again in 1939 when his family was fleeing Austria after the Angeles.

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Rebecca Frank: And then in 1941 when they came to the United States, and he enlisted in the army and became a richie boy and we'll speak about his story more but.

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Rebecca Frank: he's someone that you're able to follow throughout and there's many individuals like that.

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Rebecca Frank: here on the right is a photo of Isaac Elliot he was a baby right here in pistorius Greece CIRCA 1930.

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Rebecca Frank: And he did not survive the Holocaust this photo was actually sent by some of his relatives to surviving family elsewhere, and on the back, is an inscription and Latino explaining who he was and that he was murdered in the Holocaust.

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Rebecca Frank: Many of the individuals pictured in this room were murdered in the hall house.

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Rebecca Frank: As we move on into this next room April 1943 Here are three different examples of objects that will be on view.

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Rebecca Frank: The first is this crematorium breath that was recovered by Miriam know which was a Holocaust survivor and historian.

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Rebecca Frank: And one of the founders of local magneto the ghetto fighters house to blitz and museum and she had recovered this crematorium break right after the war and.

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Rebecca Frank: Because crematoria two and three were newly established in April 1943 That is why, when we discuss Auschwitz, and the crematoria there we showed this breath, along with another pendant.

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Rebecca Frank: Here in the Center is it to fill in bad where it would house to fill in which are used for morning prayer and contain scrolls.

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Rebecca Frank: With portions from the Torah so inside this bag was recovered by rabbi Kalman farber who Judy mentioned his daughter you'll have an farber who we will speak about later on, as well.

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Rebecca Frank: And rabbi common farber and his wife Tripura had survived the war that actually after their daughter died they escaped and they went into hiding and after liberation he went.

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Rebecca Frank: To with us some other Jewish leaders to the site upon our, which was a killing site likely where their daughter had been murdered right outside of bill were about.

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Rebecca Frank: Over 100,000 Jews were murdered at the sight of porn are by Nazis and their collaborators.

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Rebecca Frank: And many of the objects were taken back by the Nazis or looted by different collaborators for many different objects were left behind APP called are such as this to fill in bad.

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Rebecca Frank: That rabbi farber had taken with him and he didn't know the person that this to fill in bad belong to, but he took this to fill in bag another one and a prayer shawl with him.

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Rebecca Frank: Most likely to remember the Jews that were murdered there, and he took them with him to Israel and then eventually donated it to the museum.

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Rebecca Frank: here on the right is the data that was used in Tunisia in 1943 so in April on April 19 1943 when Passover was going on around the world for many Jews in concentration camps it.

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Rebecca Frank: meant longing for freedom and hoping, maybe having a Passover seder and hiding for the Jews in Tunisia, who were recently freed from Nazi collaborationist that was them having Passover celebrating that freedom.

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Rebecca Frank: and around the world, Jews in the United States in the Great Britain who were able to celebrate Passover many of them did add prayers to their services and did.

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Rebecca Frank: Think about the Jews in Europe and various different efforts that they'd be able to make during Passover they spoke about it at Passover but then they continued think about it.

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Rebecca Frank: As we move on into this next room on Jews and Judaism on the right you'll see a text panel from the exhibition and we wanted to show you some different examples, how we speak about the objects in the show.

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Rebecca Frank: And at the very end his father wrote that he had read to the end when sincere admiration and respect of this man speaking about hit learn about hitler's words but in many ways, giving him were blessing his blessing to become such a key Nazi leader.

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Rebecca Frank: On the right is this Torah scroll that was recovered by Dr selling and bear bamberger on the night of Kristallnacht known as the night of broken glass or November pogrom.

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Rebecca Frank: Ways of both of the yellow stars and and other documents as well, but this is an example of one where we show about the effects of Nazi expansion on Jews and the different populations.

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Rebecca Frank: And she wore this star in the a and then she eventually went into hiding in the south in the south of another lens in Eindhoven.

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Rebecca Frank: And she kept a Diary, which we also have in our collection and in the exhibition so she's someone else that you'll hear her story and see her yellow star among the 36 yellow stars and then you'll see her again later, when we speak about hiding, and especially children in hiding.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: Thank you very much, so now room seven begins our our tour of the second floor and our first room is devoted to get us.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: If you remember, I spoke at the beginning about you'll have it farber looking over your shoulder at age, two of you, she is with a beautiful little girl.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: In 1939 interesting he came with me and she's in a summer vacation place, and this is the only picture that we actually have her as a child before the war.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: And it says that in this part in Hebrew in this part kosher food was cooked in the Vilna ghetto for a girl with taken to be exterminated and this comes from the lf collection and it was donated to the Museum of Jewish heritage by the Center for holistic studies in brooklyn.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: These are people, these are their stories, this is what we have left of them that's all that's left let's go on to the next room.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: Higher embroidered this glass as a gift for his sister rachel's birthday when they were in the smithsonian ghetto a year later.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: And friend of theirs Luba ravaged recognized this blouse among the volumes of Jews who had been taken away and murdered in the corner of Florida things obvious wouldn't happen to Rachel.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: Gross took the blouse she risked her life actually to take it and to bring it back to hire porous.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: Higher put on the blouse she wore it when she escaped through those together when she joined the partisan company come out, which means revenge and Hebrew.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: And, as she fought for life and and She fought to try and save as many Jews, as she could force kept her sister Ashley next to her on her skin wearing this blouse passing it with parachutes so when it's for and eventually the family gave it to the museum.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: On the right, we have a kitchen rug I mentioned before, this was the rug that was worn as a shawl by nothing ends in berk throughout his entire.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: The rug is of woven flax that was grown enough fields in book covina, which is part of Romania between the two world wars and it was also hungry before the First World War.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: The ends and verbs are orthodox Jews, they were landowners, this is one of the few places that Jews from the middle of the 19th century were permitted to own land and many became farmers include idioms in your family.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: And this was the rug in the entrance phone we have picture of nothing's quite horrible standing on that rug within our entrance room.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: That card or that you see the world the Jewish world in 1930 anyway, when they were ordered to leave their home novel pick this up and put it around his shoulders he draped it around your shoulders like a shawl to keep him.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: And nothing is ever kept this road with him, he used it and Transdniestria, he and his wife for died in March 1942 from starvation one day after the other than the mobile of ghetto.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: Their daughter Jenny was with them, and she survived, and she took this rug she kept it with her and in 1999 she wanted to know that it would go to a good home and she donated it to the Museum of Jewish heritage.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: One of the reasons that i'm pretty close to this is that nothing, nothing broke was my great grandfather.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: We move on to run line round roundups deportations factories of murders becky mentioned before, that we have.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: Various texts, because we're not only showing you objects we're telling you about them, we can't be with you physically to tell each story so we've written it up.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: Every object has a label every label has a picture of if it was possible to get it, the person involved and information about who donated but in addition.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: We also have various stories every room has a room introduction story, which is what we've brought you here, this is the room introduction.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: For roundups deportations in factories murder of read it out for those of you who can't see it.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: In late 1941 the Nazis determine that the most efficient way to annihilate the Jews of Europe would be to gas them at death camps, the Nazis initiated operation reinhardt in 1941 to systematically murder, Jews and the general government is occupied Poland.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: At the ones, a conference in January 1942 German officials and Nazi leaders were informed of the plans to guess the Jews and coordinating the logistics for Europe wide murder operation.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: Throughout German occupied Europe Jews were rounded up by SS personnel by soldiers, police and collaborators and then herded onto cattle cars bound for the East, which was a euphemism for death camps and they were usually gas upon arrival.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: juice could take position possessions with them in some cases they couldn't in some cases, they were told to leave everything, this is part of the set of filling phylacteries that Jews us for prayer that was left behind in an attic.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: After deportation to Auschwitz in 1944 they were found in transit camping mentor mentor Italy.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: You have lf collection donated by the Center of Holocaust that is Miriam know which was.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: One of the most unique women that I have ever had the privilege of meeting, she was a survivor who took it upon herself to go back to Europe every year, right after the war was over we're talking about 1946 4748 49 she moved to Israel.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: At that time, though, free state Israel and she went back and she would bring objects all costs related objects back with her to tell the story.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: and knowing her, she passed away many, many years ago she would be honored that things that she brought actually now going to be on display to tell the story of juice during the Holocaust, because.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: room 10 hiding escape and resistance, you see that beautiful little girl or that beautiful little girl has a name and she's called dirty.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: This is a doll that belonged to Eva Eva bass was born in Zagreb march 1 1936.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: And for her fourth birthday, she was given this doll as a present if you take a look the dog has a hard plastic head and the rest of it is a stuffed bodies.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: object next to boudicca well then vertical his passport, believe it or not, because when the family ran away procreation 1941 and they fled to Italy, eventually, they made it into hiding in Switzerland in 1944.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: Eva was at the time, eight years old, and she was holding Georgia but you wouldn't leave without knowing the vertical would make it so our family put together a passport.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: For GA to that they could convince little Eva that vertical will survive now it gets even better, as the crossing the outs.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: Direct as a kid it's plastic what falls off now, can you imagine is the whole bunch of people that they're risking their lives to find dude it is head to that.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: Either basketball have her complete thought they found it, as you can see, and they retrieved the head and it traveled in a police, with its own passport.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: We no longer have evil with us, but we need to have director here in the museum and that reminds us of the entire story of hiding of escape of resistance and then it happened to real human beings little girls have eight years old, who wanted their dolls with them.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: And we're going to show it or we do.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: Rule of 72 concentration camps here's a fascinating object, what is this enamel bold and, if you take a good look it's got a couple of holes at the bottom.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: This is an animal that belong to a family from Libya Libya, what does that have to do with all of us will it very much has to do with the Holocaust.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: This call was pre 1941 in Libya, and if you read the, this is the object labels and gift that I gave to the Museum in memory of the board, be a family and asked me what was I doing with the ball from Libya here's the story.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: About 35 years ago I was making a series of movies, about the Holocaust, where I was teaching and one of the families that I interviewed was a family from North Africa from Libya, the word, be a family who had been incarcerated in Nazi camps in Europe.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: has inherited British citizenship from his father and grandfather would come from Gibraltar and all the Jews in Libya who had foreign citizenship that belong to the allies.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: were first rounded up and put into a concentration camp, but after that they would report it first it would report into Italy from Italy, they were deported to a camp and then to Bergen belsen now they were permitted to live together as a family, and this is what Mrs.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: She had children, she had a son with them that came to the first camp, but because they live together as a family, she became pregnant she had a second son in Italy, and she had a third son when they were in Bergen belsen.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: Now they also had an entire Group of living juice, including in more hell, a circumcised and when her son was eight days old by Jewish tradition, she wanted him to be circumcised that try to imagine this.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: You usually bring a baby on a pillow well you don't have to live in Bergen belsen she took this little baby eight days old she put them into this bowl and she handed this all to the circumcised and said, make my son into what you and.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: He was circumcised in Bergen belsen having been brought to a circumcision in the book Now this is where be as telling me this whole story is we're making the movie.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: And when they finish she's walking out and I run after I say this is or via.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: You forgot your bowl and she turned around looked at me and she said no truly I left it for you, the ball is done it for our family.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: But you teach the Holocaust, I want you to tell this story over and over again, so that people know that Jews from Libya were incarcerated in Bergen belsen there were those who lost their lives to the Nazis, we too are Holocaust survivors.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: And I promised to do it every year, and when we put together this exhibition I said, this is the place for the ball, we have to show it.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: In this way, not only will 20 or 50 students, a year see it that hopefully hundreds of thousands of visitors will know the story of Jews of Libya or incarcerated by the Nazis and who are Holocaust survivors, and this is in memory of the buildings.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: Next room, as you can see, we are all very, very invested in this emotionally invested in this exhibition, it is, it is what we do and we hope that you will get a lot out of it.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: room 12 what the world knew what the world did so, you have the Jews of Europe, and you have the Nazis, but what about the bystanders but about the people who are watching and.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: Does anybody do anything here, we have two objects, we have a famous cable from your heart ragnar the World Jewish Congress in Geneva to rabbi Stephen wise in New York in 1942.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: And in it, he is trying to give information about the final solution, he writes received alarming report stating that and furious headquarters, the planets been discussed and being under consideration.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: and which Jews and occupied countries three and a half to 4 million should be sent to the east in one blow exterminated well the State Department didn't believe it they didn't want to pass it on and eventually in.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: Under cover raise the cable reach to it was supposed to reach in New York on the right, we have a portion of the safe haven is.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: A suite of New York, that was the one thing that the word refugee board formed in 1944 did to try to save people from the Holocaust, they opened up a safe haven in upstate New York.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: and close with thousand people rescued from the Holocaust from Europe and brought there.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: And this is a portion of the fence that went around the safe haven now are moving along.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: we're short on time room 13, this is the end of the death marches liberation and beginning again what in the world are we doing with an A 14 you may ask Well, this is another one of the stories that I love.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: This accordion belong, believe it or not, there Herman Gary arch Nazi now how do we have an accordion from Germany during.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: The Americans captured during and during the interrogations, he was very uncooperative he claimed that he didn't remember anything didn't know anything.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: And the commanding officer told these interrogators take her into the officer's Club in the evening feed them a good dinner.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: and growing said to him I play the accordion would you like my accordion and he actually instructed Ralph to go with gary's orderly to pick up this accordion wherever it had been.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: And then he gave it to him as a presence and obviously we got it as a present so that's the story of garden supporting and what it's doing here and, yes, he broken he actually told stories.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: about what happened during the war, our last project that we're showing you is the happy object it's a wedding canopy hope.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: That was manufactured by the jd see the joint distribution committee for use in dp cleanse it was manufactured in pre-state Israel and this one was found in the for involve.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: it's people who went through the Holocaust and tell us what they felt.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: And he says this is from them bamberger Torah scroll that you see the most important item in our suitcase was one of the tourist rules that my father and rescued from the born black synagogue and Chris sauna.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: And he said I salt palace, with people who stares at me why night I shouted excitedly show my life, and even if then for high it's been an American oh readings Jews you're free and an American rabbi.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: And on the right, we have a quote from classical to or who is one of the Jews liberated by herschel shattering both involved in, who said, many years ago we survived by chance, but knew we had a purpose to make a better world for Jews for everyone, and yes, a school teacher was my father.

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Rebecca Frank: Oh, we would now love to show you some of what the exhibition actually looks like through these design elevations.

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Rebecca Frank: We should say, these are the final design elevations in practice, it looks a little bit different so you'll have to come and see.

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Rebecca Frank: exhibition itself to see how it fully came together, so this is the room on the Jewish diaspora, you could see number of these different photos including you'll have a Barber right here, where my mouse is.

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Rebecca Frank: April 1943 you can really see on the ceiling all of the different photos showing all of these different events happening at once, in April 1943.

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Rebecca Frank: To be hung in a SOFA in Hungary in the 1920s and it's a really special space to be able to step into and read the prayers that he had written on there and look at all of the different beautiful drawings that he and included both of hungry and a pre-state Israel and a biblical scenes.

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Rebecca Frank: Here is the room on historical anti Judaism and anti semitism.

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Rebecca Frank: Nazi expansion, so you can see here are the 36 yellow stars, including photos of various different individuals wearing their yellow star.

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Rebecca Frank: Hiding escape and resistance and you can actually see right here, where my mouse is is Anita Meyer who's yellow star i've spoken about earlier and whose diary is on view in this case, right here and who, I believe, is here with us on zoom right now and that's dirty right here.

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Rebecca Frank: and obviously we've been showing you a number of the different objects and of the text and the various ways that we tell stories in this exhibition.

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Rebecca Frank: Another way is through 28 various different videos and interactive and a soundscape that both have historical footage historical sounds and testimonies.

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Rebecca Frank: And throughout the entire exhibition, it was very important to the curatorial team for people to hear the stories from survivors themselves and to really be centering these survivor voices.

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Rebecca Frank: And so you can see right here in our final room and that closing message video where we're giving survivors, the last word, these are three different survivors.

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Rebecca Frank: Many which actually have objects earlier on in the exhibition and whose testimonies are shown, also in other places, you can see, here are some of their messages.

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Rebecca Frank: At the top from annalise hurts, but if you ask me also, are you happy that you survived, I could not give you an unqualified yes, the main point is that I live, but I really don't live part of me died.

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Rebecca Frank: So that we have time for more of the questions and drought, for the q&a I won't read fully these different all three of these quotes but.

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Rebecca Frank: If someone's object, we also have a testimony from them, then their testimony is shown next two are very close to the object, for example.

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Rebecca Frank: about getting that blouse from Luba grow it's about wearing it with her when she escaped into the woods and fought with Nicola and about her towel that she had also recovered.

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Rebecca Frank: from her sister and from the ruins at punahou and that she had warned, and she kept with her to wipe her tears when she was fighting so you can hear.

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Rebecca Frank: from her herself and from all the different people who we are lucky enough to have so many testimonies and historical footage in our museums collection, to be able to share with you, and in this exhibition.

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Rebecca Frank: So now i'll hand it back to Judy and then we would love to open it up for questions for q&a.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: Okay um, the only thing that I have to say is that this is really an incredible exhibition now you can't imagine how much.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: is invested in putting together something like this, because every object that we take, we feel we cry over.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: We try to understand where the people were because that's what we're trying to get across to all of you that the Holocaust really happened to individual people not.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: A group of 6 million, but one time 6 million and over and over again, we tell the story of that one.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: And we will be honored if you will come and visit the exhibition in order to learn, together with us as we did the stories of one and another, and another, and another, so that we never forget.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: Because it's, the only thing that we can do at this time in order to honor those people who didn't answer.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): And so yeah I will be asking the questions I just want to say thank you Judy and becky That was a really excellent presentation and I think we have time for just a couple questions so let's start with an easy one, how many objects up there abouts are on display.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): awesome and then we had a fair amount of questions about.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Sephardic stories in the exhibition so i'm not going to ask the more specific ones, but if you could just sort of talk about the importance of including Sephardic stories in the exhibition and how you did that I think that'd be great.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: Okay don't you take this one, we have a tremendous inclusion, not only of Europeans part in, but as we've seen from Libya North Africans part in.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: Their stories exist they're very much starting with them equal blogs going through pictures of children from Greece from Bulgaria from other from from.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: Parts of Turkey stories of Muslim women who saved Jews in Bulgaria, the stories of Sephardic Jews who reach the concentration camps and what happens to them, we have them in texts, we have them in movies, we have them all over the place, this is not your average European ashkenazi centered.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: exhibition, we have made great efforts to include as many groups as possible, in order for visitors to receive a panoramic picture of everything that went on.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: Nazis didn't make a distinction between Europeans are given European ashkenazi and the story is North Africa is a little bit different, but we have that as well it's all there coming see it.

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Rebecca Frank: Especially in our room on Jews and Judaism you're able to see so much today of that and ritual objects that belong.

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Rebecca Frank: To Sephardic individuals pre war, and you know, we have the mix liquids that we spoke about, but we also have to fill in from Syria anika tuba from Morocco and another youtuber from Yemen and.

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Rebecca Frank: From a ran and we really speak about a number of different Sephardic stories through their objects and it's special to really see in this celebratory space in the Jews and Judaism room all of those different.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Then I think we'll just end with this question if you both feel comfortable answering this can you talk about Judy I know you, you spoke a bit about this during the presentation, but sort of.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): The the impact that working on this exhibition has had on you both professionally and personally if you feel comfortable talking about that.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: yeah, as I said before, this is probably I would say the high point of my professional life, and on the personal level.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: There are objects and their stories that have to do, because I grew up surrounded or family wise and school wise and every place by Holocaust survivors and by the stories who didn't survive and it became my profession.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: I feel connected to everyone to everything somebody wrote in the questions I was reading them as they were coming up, how do you do it without a stream of tears you don't.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: You don't you cry through it, you take a package of tissues when you come because these people deserve to be crying over, I can only for my own mother, said to me once.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: Many, many, many years ago my late mother, said to me it's Okay, if you pry when I die So yes, it is okay if we cry when we see what happened to.

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Judy Tydor Baumel-Schwartz: To these people to the Jews and to the non Jews and to the fellow travelers of juice for murdered by the Nazis, yes, we cry can help us it we wouldn't to come with issues.

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Rebecca Frank: yeah I think I really echo a lot of what Judy said part of what's so powerful about this exhibition is how personal it is and.

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Rebecca Frank: Both getting to know the people, many of them survivors that are still alive getting to know them and hear the stories from them themselves it's been so special to then.

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Rebecca Frank: put that into the exhibition and to really be able to learn from them and we hope that visitors can feel that same personal human pillock connection, and that is it's not 6 million it's.

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Rebecca Frank: you'll have it farber and all of these different individual people that you can actually connect to and.

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Rebecca Frank: I think, for me, as well, I my grandmother was a Holocaust survivor and so, something that I grew up learning about as well and.

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Rebecca Frank: it's a such a personal show in so many different ways, both for us as the team that was working on it and for the museum community and the different voices that were able to share and that we hope people really connect to and learn from and.

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Rebecca Frank: So many people know the history of the Holocaust and various different details of it, but they don't know these people and they don't know these people's stories and that's what's so special about it, and that we hope you'll all be able to come see you can see the exhibition.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Well, I want to say thank you so much again to both of you, this has been a really amazing presentation, I personally learned so much and I.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): also want to thank everyone out there for joining us today, especially the descendants of Holocaust survivors and the Holocaust survivors who I know have been on.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): And just to say that this is our permanent exhibition so it's going to be here for a very long time, but we hope that you all will.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): Come see it and just a reminder everything we do at the museum is made possible through donor support so to those of you watching we hope you'll consider making a donation to support the museum.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): or becoming a member and joining us for our upcoming programs all which you can check out at the link in the zoom chat, of course, we hope you'll come and see.

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Sydney Yaeger (she/her): The Holocaust would hate can do it, you can also find out more information at the links in the chat Thank you again Judy and becky have a great afternoon, and we hope to see you all again, thank you for joining us.

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